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February 6, 2007

We'll do that if Windows becomes popular

I was going to discuss WSU and learning RPG this week. But, something rather timely has derailed my well-planned (yuk-yuk) editorial schedule. We'll get back to WSU and RPG very soon. The timely issue reminds me of something I heard in IBM's Toronto language lab office, and, to this day, is still echoed, if not in exact words, in actions by both Toronto and Rochester. We'll get to that in a moment, but first the timely issue that made me think of this.

Check out Wal-Mart's new online video download service. Check it first with Internet Explorer. Looks great. Check it next with FireFox (if you don't have FireFox, you're crazy! It is vastly superior to IE.) Amazingly, the Wal-Mark site doesn't render at all with FireFox. It simply shows a curt message that says "Unsupported browser." (Early last week it didn't even do that--FireFox users simply saw a hodge-podge of unorderly HTML.) Depending on the survey you believe, FireFox commands anywhere from 11% to 31% of the browser marketplace. And certainly a much higher percentage of those with the technical savyy and confidence to purchase full-length videos online.

It's amazing to me that the almighty Wal-Mart would thumb its nose so directly at FireFox, even for the beta version of its video downloads site. Certainly FireFox isn't a market leader, but it clearly has enough of a user base to matter. None of us would build IE-specific Internet-based apps. In the enterprise, with its business partners and vendors, and even for IT technologies (trying to get your arms around EDI, do what Wal-Mart does), whatever Wal-Mart says goes. Could it be that Wal-Mart thinks it holds such sway with consumers as well? I don't think so.This will be fixed quickly. It's almost as though Wal-Mart sat back and said, "We'll support FireFox when FireFox is popular."

Trying to use FireFox with Wal-Mark's video site reminded of Rochester and Toronto. Back in 95, I went to Toronto to see how progress was coming with IBM's VisualAge for RPG. This was back during IBM's very staunch OS/2 commitment period. You remember those days, back when virtually no one was using OS/2 but IBM. This was during the time that MS was rolling WIndows 95 out and Bill Gate's personal fortune was skyrocketing--he first topped Forbes list of richest Americans two years prior (in 1993). By this time, virtually every desktop in the world was using Windows.

I asked the VisualAge for RPG team when the product would support Windows. With a straight face, they looked at me and said, "We'll do that if Windows becomes popular." Great googly moogly! What were these boneheads thinking?

Toronto and Rochester's persistent head-in-the-sand attitude about Windows pervades many issues with the iSeries (many of which we'll dig into in the coming months) that exist yet today. I wonder what the future would have held had IBM (Rochester and Toronto specifically) used just a little more foresight and embraced iSeries-Windows interoperability with more than a token effort.

As an interesting footnote, 12 years later, MS has more than twice the market value of IBM and makes nearly twice what IBM makes.

So, listen up Wal-Mart, learn from IBM's mistakes. Get your head out of the sand. Embrace interoperability.

rp

8 March update: Eagle-eye Pat Landrum noticed today that Wal-Mart's video site is now FireFox friendly. I don't think it got fixed because the WalMart suits read this entry! But, just in case they did, here's a few other suggestions: clean up those aisles, quit stomping little guys out of business, and fer-cryin out loud. get rid of those damned happy faces. Sorry for the lack of entries lately--been traveling but back on the keyboard soon.

Posted by rpence at February 6, 2007 8:25 PM

Comments

Roger, I'll reply when blogs become popular! .. smile.

Posted by: Wayne at February 15, 2007 4:17 PM

Great googly moogly! What were these boneheads thinking?

In 1995 IBM was thinking that OS/2 had a chance at bouncing Windows off the
desktop, and withholding VARPG support from Windows was at least
consistent with that hope and plan. In hindsite, we can see the futility of
IBM trying to dislodge Windows from the desktop with OS/2, but at the
time the picture wasn't so clear.


In 2007 there isn't much desktop operating system competition,
but the One Laptop Per Child initiative
which began at MIT, which is based on a very impressive low-cost laptop,
which uses a small-footprint version of Linux, is something I want to keep
tabs on. As more and more robust applications are deployed over the Internet,
the CPU, memory, disk, and OS requirements of PC's could
drop dramatically.


That would be an interesting turn on Microsoft, where the majority of their
revenues, resources, and infrastructure pertain to the development
and support of operating systems, middleware, and applications that have ever
increasing resource requirements.


Microsoft of course is developing an infrastructure for Web based
applications, but there obviously must be some turmoil within the company as
they try to balance the interests of those who are supporting and promoting
traditional desktop environments and applications, which is
their bread and butter, with the bigger trend toward Web based applications.
In that sense, IBM may have a slight advantage with their focus being set primarily
on server based solutions.


Hindsite is easy. What about the future? Will low-cost laptops, with open-source
operating systems gain momentum over high-powered Windows-based workstations?
Will Web-based applications continue gaining momentum over desktop-base
applications? Will commodity-like Web-based services (Software as a Service),
continue gaining momentum over in-house based systems?


Posted by: Nathan M. Andelin at February 19, 2007 4:02 PM

This is reminiscent of the height of the dot com bomb to be. All of the hyped web sites unabashedly required IE 5+. Reason? They were doing this allegedly hot web stuff in little Windows programs called ActiveX.

So is there more of that stuff going on? Sure. I understand webforms is not what it is in other browsers than what Microsoft does with, again, its Windows OS with IE. As for AJAX and the like, Google and commercial vendors have to offer cross platform libraries to deal with the differences between IE and others.

Between that and other things, doesn't surprise me to see more of the dot com hype stuff coming from someone who thinks the world comes to them on their terms.

I use Netscape 7 on my main posting computer (this one I'm posting with) and Firefox on my internet development computer, and quite frankly most of what Netscape 7 with Javascript off doesn't render is the reason I stick with the old stuff that is manipulation resistant from internet sites shoving stuff at me I don't want to see.

But as far as Wal-Mart goes, there are government sites also that require IE and a ruckus is raised whenever the site is needed and people find out.

This is always going to be a "can I get away with doing Windows features stuff in a browser without those people resisting assimilation finding out?"

But as always, cloaked with an excuse of "We'll do something about them in version 2".

rd

Posted by: Ralph Daugherty at February 19, 2007 6:00 PM

Hey Roger -

You wrote:

Back in 95, I went to Toronto to see how progress was coming with IBM's VisualAge for RPG. This was back during IBM's very staunch OS/2 commitment period. You remember those days, back when virtually no one was using OS/2 but IBM.

Ugh, the old OS/2 days. The problem back then was that OS/2 required too much horsepower. I recall a column by Dvorak that suggested IBM configure 1,000 of it's most powerful PS/2 systems with OS/2 and send them free, with no strings attached, to 1,000 industry magazine editors. His point was that there would be a flurry of coverage, as editors (who often had underpowered machines) would start using OS/2 and see how superior it was to Windows.

Of course, that kind of guerrilla marketing was beyond the company then, and now. No, no, no... they had to spend many times that amount for dancing nun commercials. And weren't those effective!

Posted by: The old "Street Talk" guy at March 3, 2007 8:17 PM

Roger,

They must have read your blog because I have no problem with Wal-Mart's site using FireFox (version 2.0.0.2).

Posted by: Pat Landrum at March 8, 2007 1:16 PM

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