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July 16, 2007

Yup, You Read That Right, No More 40-User Cap on 515

In last week's "Two Minutes with Stan Staszak on 515-525" post, Staszak, who is the director of System i/x products for Sirius, mentioned that IBM removed the 40-user max limit on the 515 models. It was an easily missed point, and only one reader, Claudio Cuzzi, noticed it — at least, he was the only one who bothered to say something about it.

For those of you listening to our weekly podcast, I covered the change in a bit more detail on Friday, which I'll share now. Basically, this is both a big deal and not so much so at the same time. While it's possible to put an unlimited number of users on the 515, the number of companies who would even want to put large numbers on a 515 may be another matter altogether. The box itself is still restrictive toward larger organizations when it comes to expandability. It caps out at 16 gigabytes of memory, and customers are limited to eight disk drives.

Some IBM Business Partners may try to sell customers on a 515 just to make the sale rather than than size them correctly, for example, into a 525. This is bad customer service, definitely, but hardly limited to the System i world. The cynic in me, however, sees this as another way to lock a business into a System i investment, so this is only a bad deal when a company gets so frustrated that it wants to ditch the platform altogether. Otherwise, IBM just picks up an upgrade earlier than expected. Although I can see that angle, the reality is that I'd be hard-pressed to recommend the wrong solution myself.

Anyway, the 515 comes with 5 users built in, and to get to the magic "unlimited" user number, customers will have to purchase an additional 75 user seats. The program appears to be only available in the Americas now — as of last week — and IBM only mentioned the change to Business Partners as part of the IBM BP program.

I doubt IBM plans any formal announcement, but I'm working to set up an interview to learn more . . . for example, what kinds of customers or potential customers would want such a box? What workloads would make sense? (Don't hesitate to holler if you see some likely scenarios.) I'll post additional details as soon as I have them.

Posted by cmaxcer at July 16, 2007 10:13 AM

Comments

This is the third report on the unlimited license for the 515 I have seen today. You are the only one who pointed out the limitation in memory and disk arms. The real issue is the disk arms. Unlimited users on a 515 is a critical situation (critsit) waiting to happen. MPG's performance Navigator can show customers the CPU percent busy at which the disk will become the bottleneck, thus setting the customer expectation.

P.S. Performance Navigator can also count concurrent users.

Posted by: Randy Watson at July 16, 2007 1:51 PM

This remembers me on the S/36 Version of the AS/400. All companies with "old" iSeries with close to a minimal configuration, up to 16 diskarms and a stable environment are perfect candidates for a 515.

If they like to stay with the System i but do not plan for additional workload, this is a perfect "DOWNSIZE" on (maintenance) costs with a big performance improvement at the same time.
The disk arm problem is partially addressed with improved controller cache (30% fewer arms are OK). Additonally, sizing the memory big and using SETOBJACC, this machines wil run like hell for them at a stunning price.

For IBM, this will keep customers on this platform even if they do not plan to improve. When the customers then have the power in their hands, they may change their mind.

Posted by: Chris Schmidlin at July 16, 2007 10:15 PM

The 515 sounds good to me, but I am told that you can't have an internal dvd-ram drive in this machine.

Posted by: Dawn Jewell at July 17, 2007 9:14 AM

Chris,
your comment -When the customers then have the power in their hands, they may change their mind.
- caught my attention.

I sure do hope this is the case, because I know from experience the frustration amongst customers (still) using entry level boxes is skyhigh.

Lately, I was visiting such a customer who ditched the iSeries platform long time ago except for the accounting department, about five employees. They wanted to speed up the night backup, which they did by ftp-ing savf files to a remote PC server. The transport of about 25GB of data took them 5 hours. I looked into the configuration and found the ethernet card was set at a linkspeed of 10mb/s. Ha, problem found, I thought, change it to 100mb/s and voila, should run at a 'screaming' 10 megabytes/second instead of 1 megabyte/second. They used a model 170 entry level box, installed in 2002, so what were the results? I noted the ftp job consumed about 60% cpu, which was odd since this was the only job running. Presumably ftp is a heavy burden for the machine. After the change of the linkspeed from 10mb/s to 100mb/s, the cpu for the ftp job increased to 65% and the actual datatransfer ran about 5% faster, around 1.05 megabytes/sec. I had to calm down the IT manager (he was the only IT employee in the company) for not kicking the box out the door. At least he shortened the 5 hours run time with 5 minutes.

So I was wondering, do these entry level boxes 515 run like hell? For IBM's sake, lets hope so, but I'm afraid this IT manager is beyond convincing.

Posted by: ugeerts at July 18, 2007 4:06 PM

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