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Ruminations on the System i Market

October 8, 2007

Why Do Some Vendors Make Getting Web Info So Hard?

I have a gripe, and I'm wondering how many people out there share it with me. My gripe is that there are a surprising number of product vendor websites that make it illogically difficult to get information from those sites about the products their companies offer.

I've never actually confronted a vendor about this, and I don't mean to imply all the violators are in our market -- they're not. I'm not going to name names, either. But if any of what follows strikes a distant chord with you, whether you're a software vendor or not, take a look at your own website and see if your company might not be guilty of at least one, if not a few, of these sins.

So as not to pick on anyone but to make the examples concrete, let's hypothesize a company that's looking for an application that's not actually available for the System i, but we'll pretend it could be. In honor of it being October, let's say you're the IT manager of a company that wants to offer fantasy baseball leagues to the public next season. You've got a shiny new 525, and you need a piece of software to run on it that compiles baseball statistics and lets users rank players based on any given statistic, for starters. Other features would be gravy, maybe gravy worth having, but it depends on what they are. But you don't want to talk to a salesperson yet. You want to get a feel for what's out there, what features are pretty standard in the available products, what special options only one or two packages might offer, what a general ballpark (pun intended, blush) price might be. After all, when you actually do call a salesperson, you certainly don't want to sound like you're some ignorant mark who's calling a salesperson of baseball statistics software for the first time, do you? So off you go on a search of baseball statistics application vendors' websites.

The first kind of website you find is what I'd call the "it's all about the marketese" website. It's the kind of place where you can't find any product information except vague generalities. These sites have tabs you can click to be directed to "product information," but when you get there, what you find is less than helpful. You find such treats as short documents full of lofty statements about paradigms and strategies, incisive statements on the importance of baseball statistics software to the community, and maybe a press release full of quotes from the vendor's own company officers about how theirs is the finest example of baseball statistics software they've ever seen. But what statistics does it track? Well, it doesn't say. Can you sort the data? It doesn't say anywhere that you can . . . or can't. And so on.

The second kind of website I'd call the "deeper mystery" website. It's more normal looking. It has some docs that actually describe some product features. That's helpful. It may even have white papers or a case study or two that describe the software in action or show an actual example of what it did for some company. More helpful. OK, so you're ready to put them on your short list. Oh, but does the software run on the System i? Ahhh, now they have you. After searching every document you can access, you can't even find verification that it runs on a Windows PC! It must run on Everycomputer, that mysterious machine that so many marketing departments seem to assume that all companies have, so why should they bother with niggling little details like the supported platform or OS? And what version of i5/OS does it support? Are you kidding?

Whew, let's move on to site three! But this one proves to be one of those "Oh, no, you're not gettin' nuttin' outta us for free!" sites. This one lists its products, each with a one- or two-sentence description that tells you "for sure, this is a baseball statistics software vendor all right," but not much more. But there's the promise of much more here. The site says it offers all sorts of information: testimonials, reviews, charts comparing (unfavorably, of course) competing products to this vendor's wonderful offering, maybe even some actual user docs. But there's one little catch. To access any of it, you have to fill out a long demographics form in which you identify yourself, your company, your phone number, your e-mail address, your company's gross income, your annual IT budget, how much you're willing to spend on baseball statistics software. . . and you're not allowed to submit the form if so much as one field is left blank. It's about everything you don't want to get into right now. And if you should bite like the good little fishie they hope you are, don't be going down the hall for the rest of the day because sales people will be calling momentarily.

Let's escape to website four. But oops! This is an "is this really a business?" website. This is the kind of website that has a few static pages that describe the business, but not necessarily any products. (Except for one product, unnamed, about which there's someone expositing on the tweak the company made to some piece of code buried somewhere in the product, which the vendor is offering as a public gesture towards openness, but comments in the code date it to early 1999.) There are testimonials about the enterprise, but virtually nothing about offerings. If you want that classified information, you have to fill out one of those anonymous request forms that are automatically e-mailed to "info@anycompany.com" (but at which the intern responsible for checking this e-mail account was laid off two months ago, and this was one duty no one thought to reassign). There's no clue about where this company might be located. There's maybe not even a phone number. You have to contact them their way or not at all.

On to site five. It's a megacorporation! It must have what you need. Oh, boy, look at all that statistics software! Five different packages, 50 different options. A GUI in Farsi for the Middle Eastern customers! You've got it made! Just call the 800 number. Oh, but . . . all available operators are busy. And when you do get through, the connection is dropping out, you have to repeat your request twice. "I'll transfer you." A phone ring, changing to another kind of phone ring, after five rings changing to a third kind. The guy who answers has an Indian accent, and there are pauses between what the two of you say while the satellite relays your words. "Sells department? You want sells? I'll transfer you," and you immediately get the "busy-circuit signal." You're punted, go back to start.

Pricing? Who carries pricing info on their website? That might lead to comparison shopping, and we can't have that! Even though in so many cases the actual price a company pays for software is totally subject to negotiation, most companies refuse to even show a nominal "list price." That would be giving away too much information.

Now admittedly these are worst-case examples, some merged together. But I've encountered every bad feature I've mentioned somewhere, nearly always multiple times. I'd love to hear from any of you who have experienced some even more outrageous instances.

I have to ask myself how vendors let their websites get this way. I imagine there must be some companies who think that if they're vague enough, people will have to call them on the phone, and then their crackerjack sales people will be able to sell a 500-seat license before the caller knows what hit them. Perhaps there are others who lack confidence in how their products stack up against the competition, so they keep it vague until someone can parachute in to the potential customer site and overwhelm them with superior friendliness, market expertise, and prompt customer service. Unfortunately, I think all too many times it's worse than that. The real problem is that the website isn't looked upon as a primary sales tool, just as an adjunct. "We'll upgrade it when we have some extra money some time." "We'll add a marketing doc when the (overworked) VP of sales writes one for us." "People who surf the Net for info aren't serious buyers, they're just browsers."

These attitudes seem illogical in the 21st century, and they are. But they're still a reality at too many companies. You'd think, at the very least, that companies in the computer industry would get beyond this mentality. Most have, but there is still a minority out there who don't get it, even as they merrily cut their own throats. How obvious does it have to be that your nice building and lovely campus aren't the public face of your company to a majority of your potential customers any more? Maintaining a website that describes your products, actually lists specific features, explicitly states in some easy-to-find place (buried on the last page of some white paper doesn't count) what versions of i5/OS your product supports, and shows a price (even with a "your mileage may vary" disclaimer) would be ever so helpful. It might even attract an actual customer. Why does it seem, though, that for some companies, this is still asking too much?

Posted by at October 8, 2007 2:33 PM

Comments

John - I couldn't agree with you more wholeheartedly. For our company, Kisco Information Systems, I have always tried to put as much information out there as I could .... to the point where our competitors have pointed to our site to show how many bug fixes we've issued .... but their sites have no such information.

Rich Loeber
President
Kisco Information Systems
http://www.kisco.com

Posted by: Rich Loeber at October 10, 2007 12:55 PM

John

I hope you don't see our site as one of the above? I did read the comments and none of them actually stick...

Another point which was asked of me the other day was "why do we advertise our competition!" At first I was not sure how to approach the question, but I soon realized I was alone in my stance. Companies like to protect their intellectual property and in doing so tend to hide a lot of their products' features! Why give your competition information that allows them to compete!



Another touchy question is pricing, if I publish the price won't my competition simply go in at a lower cost than mine? If the customer is after a solution based on price you could lose, but given the opportunity to discuss the options the customer should see the benefit of you publishing your price. They all know it's negotiable anyhow.



I hope I have grown beyond that? I have recently developed a new product which competes with some of my previously associated companies' products. I still keep the links to all of their sites to ensure you the user gets as much information as possible about their alternatives. Our solution may not meet your requirements but I want you to have a solution to ensure the platform survives. That's our future not this single product!



We developed a white paper a number of years ago which shows the base technology used in the latest product, we did think about taking it off line so people didnt get to see how we do things. We decided to leave it out there, if you really want to develop your own solution then why should I try and put barriers in your way?



We will continue to develop the product providing new features as we go and deliver them at a cost which really doesnt make sense for you to do alone!


Chris...

Chris:

I certainly didn't mean your site. Like I said, a majority of vendors don't do most of what I was mentioning. But the ones who do need to wake up. Learning the features of competitors' products is as easy as having your brother-in-law request a trial version. Hiding them discourages the paying customers more than it helps your competitors, in my opinion. And knowing a competitor's features and executing them well in your own product aren't the same thing. As for posting prices, sure, some lowballing could happen. Gas stations have been proving that for nearly a century now. But it's a free market, and a majority of the business will go to those companies whose products earn it, regardless of price. --jg

Posted by: Chris Hird at October 10, 2007 1:26 PM

Terrific post, John. I recognized all your examples and have felt the same frustration. As the web master for a software company I've tried to avoid these deficiencies. I'm sure I've failed in some instances but I'll use your post as a guide to try to do better.

Posted by: Robert Keeter at October 10, 2007 2:21 PM

Hello, John -- You are so right! Have come across all of those issues. The design, care and feeding of websites is underestimated and too often relegated to a junior staff person with little experience, knowledge, and authority. Worse, this lack of top management attention may indicate a poor marketing and sales strategy overall.

Posted by: Hellena Smejda at October 10, 2007 4:15 PM

I was talking with a guy recently who did some work with Virgin -- the Richard Branson set of companies -- and one of the things he said he learned about the experience was how amazingly customer centric and open the company is -- I think the term he used was 'transparent'. The point being, Virgin's goals for all of its customer and potential customer interactions was to be as honest and clear as possible. In fact, on the Virgin.com home page, visitors will find this message:

"This isn't a website, it's our front door. Open it."

Virgin isn't hiding, its welcoming you inside. Big difference from a company operating under the basis of fear.

To contrast with Virgin, I've been shopping around for DirecTV or Dish Network service -- trying to figure out the best deal and combination of service -- channels, HD, DVR, etc. And what struck me about both sites is that they're really not customer-focused at all. In fact, I think they intentionally try to confuse the customer into thinking they're getting a great deal -- the deal of the month -- rather than simply putting it out there. So they'd have a promotion where you would save $99 in installation costs -- I'm paraphrasing -- and you'd get some stupid service free for 12 months, but you'd have to keep it (and pay for it) for at least another six months. You could cancel it after 18 months, of course, but you'd have to remember to do so, and by that time, you're already used to writing the check each month.

The experience was so freakin' annoying, I briefly considered just ordering cable even though Time Warner is in a shoving match with our local Fox affiliate and isn't delivery Fox feeds because of it.

But one of these sites is going to be the deciding factor in my decision, and they're going to get monthly fees out of me for what will likely be years to come. Right now, it's a coin toss -- no doubt one of these players could have gotten my business just by being a heckuva lot more transparent, because I'd respond to that, even if it cost me a bit more each month. Trust is what it'd come down to, and I don't trust flashy deals that need a lot of fine print.

Posted by: Chris Maxcer at October 11, 2007 8:38 AM

John,

I had hoped you would have also included SystemiNetwork.com in that "hard to find information" article. Even as an author/writer for Penton, I find it difficult to locate things on this very website and when I do, there's those roadblocks that give me pause. Now clearly I'm not a casual user so perhaps I see more bumps than most.


For example, how do I locate my own newsletter, "RPG Coder"? I look on the left margin links, and see a lot of stuff that could be synonyms (e.g., podcasts and webcasts) then there's the Article Archive, ProVIP Center, Code, Blogs, etc. Still no sign of a link to read the free newsletters online.



But if I scroll down and look under the heading of "Network Memberships" there's a "Free E-Mail Newsletters" link. I click on it and I see a "View sample" link. But there is nothing that lets me read it online or view previous issues. So that's not it either. Hmmm...



I do like the Virgin attitude that Chris mentioned. Transparency is good.


One of the ways Apple solved this problem is they added a search box to the website that lists results based on where you are on their site first, and everything else (unrelated to where you are) later on in the list. This gives users the ability to locate anything they want regardless of how well the site is designed.


Bob:
I purposely didn't single out any particular web site for criticism. As for your difficulty with SystemiNetwork.com, to access the archive for any of our e-mail newsletters, select "Article Archive" from the nav bar, and then under "Locate by Indexes," select "Issue" and the desired newsletter. --jg

Posted by: Bob Cozzi at October 16, 2007 9:04 AM

Thanks John, but there you go... my point exactly. Way too "inside" for the average user to find something. That's why I requested (and got) a redirect of www.systeminetwork.com/rpgcoder so that I can link to the index from other websites.
Anyway, good rant.


Posted by: Bob Cozzi at October 17, 2007 11:21 AM

All of these problems are quite common... unfortunately.

My pet peeve of all of them is the lack of pricing information. I find this especially bad in the iSeries market. There are very few sites I can get any kind of pricing information without contacting a live person. As I work for a private school with a small budget, I would like to know up front if I am wasting my time even looking at a product that is outside of any expectations of getting a budget for.

Posted by: Chuck Wannall at October 18, 2007 3:02 PM

John:
What a great truism you came up with.
I crashed into that wall in my previous and current project.
In the former I needed a driver (i.e. Workstation Customization Object) and went into this printer supplier mate of IBM website. After too many clicks found the support section related to my needs. I created an account giving them every bit of personal information and had to tell them why I needed to create an account. I had to wait 72 hours to get my account to find out that they had nothing to help me (and maybe anyone who gets in there).
On my current project, I needed the latest documentation of this HR/PY software that my client has. A big fish bought this software company and then another big fish ate them.
My first shot was to enter the software name dot com and the mega company website, instead of redirecting me to their HR/PY software area, took me to their super/mega/conglomerate main page where they sell every conceivable software as a kind of convenience store. I did a search with the software name and every link displayed took me either to a page where it prompted for all my information or showed presentations of their company and not a single hint of what I needed. I used their links to get to this new marketing big name to describe HR/PY and it took me to an insipid page where once again did not have any documentation. Selected one of those white papers and they asked for all my 411 again. After making me waste my time, I found the place where the documentation was (another website) but had to create an account and wait 24 hours to receive it and be able to download the documentation.
I hope every System i vendor read your article takes action toward a more usable and friendly websites.
Arturo

Posted by: Arturo C. Morales at October 24, 2007 9:43 AM

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